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	<title>Comments on: 7 concerns about the web in 2008</title>
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		<title>By: Stephan</title>
		<link>http://www.crisscrossed.net/2008/01/21/7-concerns-about-the-web-in-2008/comment-page-1/#comment-418</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 14:02:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post.

I guess until someone comes up with the perfect algorithm to give us the right piece of information when we need it (will that ever come?), we will rely on people like you as our coaches and filters. Interacting with trusted people rather than a machine is nicer anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post.</p>
<p>I guess until someone comes up with the perfect algorithm to give us the right piece of information when we need it (will that ever come?), we will rely on people like you as our coaches and filters. Interacting with trusted people rather than a machine is nicer anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: Joitske</title>
		<link>http://www.crisscrossed.net/2008/01/21/7-concerns-about-the-web-in-2008/comment-page-1/#comment-214</link>
		<dc:creator>Joitske</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 15:44:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post Christian, comes just at the time I was thinking about the limits of online communication to contribute to development (I&#039;ve never thought the contribution would be big by the way). As in Kenya, when things also boil down to access to resources and influence, I don&#039;t think being connected helps.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post Christian, comes just at the time I was thinking about the limits of online communication to contribute to development (I&#8217;ve never thought the contribution would be big by the way). As in Kenya, when things also boil down to access to resources and influence, I don&#8217;t think being connected helps.</p>
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		<title>By: ckreutz</title>
		<link>http://www.crisscrossed.net/2008/01/21/7-concerns-about-the-web-in-2008/comment-page-1/#comment-213</link>
		<dc:creator>ckreutz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 14:31:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Ignatia thanks for your interesting reflections. Yes I imagine the participative web has to be seen on a global level, where a growing number of users can join social media. So all these opportunities and obstacles are very different from country to country. 
For example activists in Egypt are far better connected then many elderly people in middle Europe. I wonder whether a vertical scale for connectivity could be defined to address all the dimensions of exclusions. Will think about that. 
For the research aspect I believe it is similar to knowledge management. It is great to have all this information sources available and to connect to people worldwide but that does not necessarily bring me faster, better or more profound results. I believe the web2, however will change knowledge management and research very much. The wikinomics book describes it very concrete.

@Mark Wiseman
Yes indeed filter will be key but unfortunately there are not yet strong enough to ease the information overload. 

@Wendell Dryden
Glad you like the post and I really like your metaphor. Would be very interesting to hear your experiences from your community work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Ignatia thanks for your interesting reflections. Yes I imagine the participative web has to be seen on a global level, where a growing number of users can join social media. So all these opportunities and obstacles are very different from country to country.<br />
For example activists in Egypt are far better connected then many elderly people in middle Europe. I wonder whether a vertical scale for connectivity could be defined to address all the dimensions of exclusions. Will think about that.<br />
For the research aspect I believe it is similar to knowledge management. It is great to have all this information sources available and to connect to people worldwide but that does not necessarily bring me faster, better or more profound results. I believe the web2, however will change knowledge management and research very much. The wikinomics book describes it very concrete.</p>
<p>@Mark Wiseman<br />
Yes indeed filter will be key but unfortunately there are not yet strong enough to ease the information overload. </p>
<p>@Wendell Dryden<br />
Glad you like the post and I really like your metaphor. Would be very interesting to hear your experiences from your community work.</p>
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		<title>By: Wendell Dryden</title>
		<link>http://www.crisscrossed.net/2008/01/21/7-concerns-about-the-web-in-2008/comment-page-1/#comment-212</link>
		<dc:creator>Wendell Dryden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jan 2008 16:14:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The &quot;Exclusion&quot; issue is the one that resonated most with me - partly because I sometimes feel excluded by both my lack of know-how and my low-income hardware, and partly because my community literacy work keeps me aware of issues about access and exclusion.

The &quot;Many Voices&quot; concern...  I have an image of two people trying to talk above the roar of a river that separates them.  To talk across or against the stream can seem nearly impossible.  Though, surely, it is more possible now than it ever has been in the past 40 years(?).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8220;Exclusion&#8221; issue is the one that resonated most with me &#8211; partly because I sometimes feel excluded by both my lack of know-how and my low-income hardware, and partly because my community literacy work keeps me aware of issues about access and exclusion.</p>
<p>The &#8220;Many Voices&#8221; concern&#8230;  I have an image of two people trying to talk above the roar of a river that separates them.  To talk across or against the stream can seem nearly impossible.  Though, surely, it is more possible now than it ever has been in the past 40 years(?).</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Wiseman</title>
		<link>http://www.crisscrossed.net/2008/01/21/7-concerns-about-the-web-in-2008/comment-page-1/#comment-210</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Wiseman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 06:52:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think your last point about filtering is the key. Feeds, social bookmarking and online communities all help us sort the masses of online information but still it is not enough.
I think probably the answer will come in some form of collaborative search supported by groups of people with similar interests.
In some way the search need to produce returns that are highly relevant and have high validity. Excluding all the chaff.
Nice post thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think your last point about filtering is the key. Feeds, social bookmarking and online communities all help us sort the masses of online information but still it is not enough.<br />
I think probably the answer will come in some form of collaborative search supported by groups of people with similar interests.<br />
In some way the search need to produce returns that are highly relevant and have high validity. Excluding all the chaff.<br />
Nice post thanks</p>
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		<title>By: Bev Trayner</title>
		<link>http://www.crisscrossed.net/2008/01/21/7-concerns-about-the-web-in-2008/comment-page-1/#comment-209</link>
		<dc:creator>Bev Trayner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 10:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think, as with most things, change will come very very slowly. And our job is just to keep chipping away.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think, as with most things, change will come very very slowly. And our job is just to keep chipping away.</p>
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		<title>By: Ignatia/Inge de Waard</title>
		<link>http://www.crisscrossed.net/2008/01/21/7-concerns-about-the-web-in-2008/comment-page-1/#comment-208</link>
		<dc:creator>Ignatia/Inge de Waard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 10:05:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A great post with lots of thought provoking content. 

The thing I was wondering about is if the web won&#039;t render the divide more global on a regional level. What if more and more people get into social media on a global scale? The chances are that the digital divide will be global in a vertical sense. I mean that all over the world the gap will be found based on economical, literacy ... factors. I agree that that is the case now within the already digital developed countries, but once countries in development will have taken their place in the digital spectrum, I still believe the digital gap will remain as you say. 
Won&#039;t that fact create a new kind of feudal cast system but on a global scale? 

If you take into account all the qualities you must have as an individual to stay on top (or nearby) of new technological developments and the fact that a percentage of people will never be able to grasp all these qualities, you could project the future as a divide as well. I am afraid that these new technologies again exclude people as you say in your post. 

The ever increasing speed, in which things are developed, taken in, pushed aside... also incorporate dangers on a research level. What if technological developments overpower the research they should get to enable to see whether something is sound or not? What happens if the impact of developments completely overshadows the research into these impacts?

And indeed, if there are too many voices, the individual sounds might no longer be heard although they might count. If we all learn to talk on our own (blogs), will we still be able to listen? Won&#039;t we get the (increasing) idea that our own opinion is the best argumented one and the others should revere our opinion as such?

As for the political or other engagement: I think there is only a limited amount of people that want to engage in a political debate or that want to change the world for the better with content input. And (unfortunately) only the people who are connected to a certain topic will be interested in it. As long as something does not affect us, chances are big that we will not be bothered.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A great post with lots of thought provoking content. </p>
<p>The thing I was wondering about is if the web won&#8217;t render the divide more global on a regional level. What if more and more people get into social media on a global scale? The chances are that the digital divide will be global in a vertical sense. I mean that all over the world the gap will be found based on economical, literacy &#8230; factors. I agree that that is the case now within the already digital developed countries, but once countries in development will have taken their place in the digital spectrum, I still believe the digital gap will remain as you say.<br />
Won&#8217;t that fact create a new kind of feudal cast system but on a global scale? </p>
<p>If you take into account all the qualities you must have as an individual to stay on top (or nearby) of new technological developments and the fact that a percentage of people will never be able to grasp all these qualities, you could project the future as a divide as well. I am afraid that these new technologies again exclude people as you say in your post. </p>
<p>The ever increasing speed, in which things are developed, taken in, pushed aside&#8230; also incorporate dangers on a research level. What if technological developments overpower the research they should get to enable to see whether something is sound or not? What happens if the impact of developments completely overshadows the research into these impacts?</p>
<p>And indeed, if there are too many voices, the individual sounds might no longer be heard although they might count. If we all learn to talk on our own (blogs), will we still be able to listen? Won&#8217;t we get the (increasing) idea that our own opinion is the best argumented one and the others should revere our opinion as such?</p>
<p>As for the political or other engagement: I think there is only a limited amount of people that want to engage in a political debate or that want to change the world for the better with content input. And (unfortunately) only the people who are connected to a certain topic will be interested in it. As long as something does not affect us, chances are big that we will not be bothered.</p>
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		<title>By: Christian Kreutz</title>
		<link>http://www.crisscrossed.net/2008/01/21/7-concerns-about-the-web-in-2008/comment-page-1/#comment-3539</link>
		<dc:creator>Christian Kreutz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2008 22:48:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;could not resist and blogged about concerns for the web in 2008. Criticism! :-) Feedback will be appreciated. http://tinyurl.com/ywfbcc&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">could not resist and blogged about concerns for the web in 2008. Criticism! <img src='http://www.crisscrossed.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  Feedback will be appreciated. <a href="http://tinyurl.com/ywfbcc" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/ywfbcc</a></span></span></span></p>
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