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	<title>Comments on: The race to map Africa and ethical issues around online mapping</title>
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		<title>By: Dennis D. McDonald</title>
		<link>http://www.crisscrossed.net/2009/06/03/the-race-to-map-africa-and-ethical-issues-around-online-mapping/comment-page-1/#comment-3347</link>
		<dc:creator>Dennis D. McDonald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 12:14:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;Ethical issues and online mapping of Africa: http://tinyurl.com/q8hlbp&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">Ethical issues and online mapping of Africa: <a href="http://tinyurl.com/q8hlbp" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/q8hlbp</a></span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Yishay Mor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yishay Mor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 17:20:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;RT @kengillgren: The race to map Africa and ethical issues around online mapping : crisscrossed blog http://ow.ly/dciT&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">RT @kengillgren: The race to map Africa and ethical issues around online mapping : crisscrossed blog <a href="http://ow.ly/dciT" rel="nofollow">http://ow.ly/dciT</a></span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Ken Gillgren</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken Gillgren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 17:05:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;The race to map Africa and ethical issues around online mapping : crisscrossed blog http://ow.ly/dciT&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">The race to map Africa and ethical issues around online mapping : crisscrossed blog <a href="http://ow.ly/dciT" rel="nofollow">http://ow.ly/dciT</a></span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Brigitte Reiser</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr. Brigitte Reiser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 08:58:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;@staranov mehr Infos über Ushahidi und Online Mapping im crisscrossed-Blog http://tinyurl.com/q8hlbp&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">@staranov mehr Infos über Ushahidi und Online Mapping im crisscrossed-Blog <a href="http://tinyurl.com/q8hlbp" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/q8hlbp</a></span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Christian Kreutz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christian Kreutz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 21:19:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@jubal harpster thanks for these interesting further links. Looking forward to read the experience from the Kibera project. Particular how different licenses and mapping efforts can be combined. 

@mikel
Very good points. I agree that transparency can ultimately make a difference, but before that happens everybody needs to have access, which is nowadays still not guaranteed. I imagine such transparency can also cause social conflict and maybe even competition or rivalry. Is there also a risk of manipulation of cards. If so, how easy can that be indentified? Nevertheless and very helpful to address problems. I like the quote in a recent Economist article by Mr. Newman: “We make visible and real something that is usually invisible and abstract”. http://www.economist.com/science/tq/displaystory.cfm?story_id=13725877</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@jubal harpster thanks for these interesting further links. Looking forward to read the experience from the Kibera project. Particular how different licenses and mapping efforts can be combined. </p>
<p>@mikel<br />
Very good points. I agree that transparency can ultimately make a difference, but before that happens everybody needs to have access, which is nowadays still not guaranteed. I imagine such transparency can also cause social conflict and maybe even competition or rivalry. Is there also a risk of manipulation of cards. If so, how easy can that be indentified? Nevertheless and very helpful to address problems. I like the quote in a recent Economist article by Mr. Newman: “We make visible and real something that is usually invisible and abstract”. <a href="http://www.economist.com/science/tq/displaystory.cfm?story_id=13725877" rel="nofollow">http://www.economist.com/science/tq/displaystory.cfm?story_id=13725877</a></p>
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		<title>By: Giacomo Rambaldi</title>
		<link>http://www.crisscrossed.net/2009/06/03/the-race-to-map-africa-and-ethical-issues-around-online-mapping/comment-page-1/#comment-1253</link>
		<dc:creator>Giacomo Rambaldi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 08:42:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Mike, you may be interested in joining &quot;PPgis.net - The Open Forum on Participatory Geographic Information Systems and Technologies&quot; where we discuss the topics you mentioned in your reaction. Interested parties can register via http://www.ppgis.net to the English (global - 1500 members), Spanish, French and lusophone Chapters of the list.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Mike, you may be interested in joining &#8220;PPgis.net &#8211; The Open Forum on Participatory Geographic Information Systems and Technologies&#8221; where we discuss the topics you mentioned in your reaction. Interested parties can register via <a href="http://www.ppgis.net" rel="nofollow">http://www.ppgis.net</a> to the English (global &#8211; 1500 members), Spanish, French and lusophone Chapters of the list.</p>
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		<title>By: Mikel Maron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mikel Maron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 16:23:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent issue to raise Christian. As a promoter of openness and map sharing, especially for development, the question of what *not* to map is something I struggle with.

The accessibility of online mapping tools on the whole is empowering for people who previously could not communicate through this tools. Maps are historically a tool of military action and control. Now anyone can use this powerful medium.

But when does openness about geography introduce unnecessary political risk? Or on the flip side, when does secrecy play at a game that the dis-empowered are likely to lose. I don&#039;t think there&#039;s a hard and fast rule .. by and large openness should be the default policy, with consideration always reserved for problems of mapping.

&quot;concern that indiscriminate online mapping could feed tensions over land ownership and resource use and control&quot;

The key word is &quot;indiscriminate&quot;. If all stakeholders have equal access to the tools, and can equally share their point of view on ownership, then this can only help clarify the bounds of the conflict, and gives a real, tangible artifact for discussion. 

The issue was raised in Gaza .. I couldn&#039;t see a legitimate reason not to map.

http://brainoff.com/weblog/2009/01/12/1389

There was controversy recently in Oaxaca, a conflict of interest in a ppgis project and military funding. The concern is over control of data. What if everyone had access to the information created in this project?
http://www.zcommunications.org/zmag/viewArticle/21044

One case I&#039;ve discussed that clearly spoke against open mapping were refugee routes out of Burma. Open publicity of these routes would but refugees at terrible risk.

-Mikel</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent issue to raise Christian. As a promoter of openness and map sharing, especially for development, the question of what *not* to map is something I struggle with.</p>
<p>The accessibility of online mapping tools on the whole is empowering for people who previously could not communicate through this tools. Maps are historically a tool of military action and control. Now anyone can use this powerful medium.</p>
<p>But when does openness about geography introduce unnecessary political risk? Or on the flip side, when does secrecy play at a game that the dis-empowered are likely to lose. I don&#8217;t think there&#8217;s a hard and fast rule .. by and large openness should be the default policy, with consideration always reserved for problems of mapping.</p>
<p>&#8220;concern that indiscriminate online mapping could feed tensions over land ownership and resource use and control&#8221;</p>
<p>The key word is &#8220;indiscriminate&#8221;. If all stakeholders have equal access to the tools, and can equally share their point of view on ownership, then this can only help clarify the bounds of the conflict, and gives a real, tangible artifact for discussion. </p>
<p>The issue was raised in Gaza .. I couldn&#8217;t see a legitimate reason not to map.</p>
<p><a href="http://brainoff.com/weblog/2009/01/12/1389" rel="nofollow">http://brainoff.com/weblog/2009/01/12/1389</a></p>
<p>There was controversy recently in Oaxaca, a conflict of interest in a ppgis project and military funding. The concern is over control of data. What if everyone had access to the information created in this project?<br />
<a href="http://www.zcommunications.org/zmag/viewArticle/21044" rel="nofollow">http://www.zcommunications.org/zmag/viewArticle/21044</a></p>
<p>One case I&#8217;ve discussed that clearly spoke against open mapping were refugee routes out of Burma. Open publicity of these routes would but refugees at terrible risk.</p>
<p>-Mikel</p>
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		<title>By: Fondapol</title>
		<link>http://www.crisscrossed.net/2009/06/03/the-race-to-map-africa-and-ethical-issues-around-online-mapping/comment-page-1/#comment-3351</link>
		<dc:creator>Fondapol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 11:08:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;Crisscrossed/The race to map Africa and ethical issues around online mapping : crisscrossed blog http://ff.im/-3CgsG&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">Crisscrossed/The race to map Africa and ethical issues around online mapping : crisscrossed blog <a href="http://ff.im/-3CgsG" rel="nofollow">http://ff.im/-3CgsG</a></span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Shannon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shannon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 14:51:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for this in-depth post. I especially appreciate your words of caution. It is very tempting to rush into using these powerful but easy-to-use technologies without considering any unintended consequences.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for this in-depth post. I especially appreciate your words of caution. It is very tempting to rush into using these powerful but easy-to-use technologies without considering any unintended consequences.</p>
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		<title>By: Hugh Wallace</title>
		<link>http://www.crisscrossed.net/2009/06/03/the-race-to-map-africa-and-ethical-issues-around-online-mapping/comment-page-1/#comment-3352</link>
		<dc:creator>Hugh Wallace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 08:26:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;Interesting article about some ethical issues raised in the plethora of online resources mapping Africa http://bit.ly/RKNDn&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">Interesting article about some ethical issues raised in the plethora of online resources mapping Africa <a href="http://bit.ly/RKNDn" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/RKNDn</a></span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Paul Canning</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Canning</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 07:22:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;RT @whiteafrican RT @ckreutz The race to map Africa and ethical issues around online mapping : crisscrossed blog http://bit.ly/RKNDn&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">RT @whiteafrican RT @ckreutz The race to map Africa and ethical issues around online mapping : crisscrossed blog <a href="http://bit.ly/RKNDn" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/RKNDn</a></span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: ICT-KM Program</title>
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		<dc:creator>ICT-KM Program</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 07:09:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;RT @web2fordev: The race to map Africa and ethical issues around online mapping : crisscrossed blog http://tinyurl.com/q8hlbp #agcommons&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">RT @web2fordev: The race to map Africa and ethical issues around online mapping : crisscrossed blog <a href="http://tinyurl.com/q8hlbp" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/q8hlbp</a> #agcommons</span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Lara Weber</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lara Weber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 02:47:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;RT @ckreutz The race to map Africa and ethical issues around online mapping : crisscrossed blog http://bit.ly/RKNDn&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">RT @ckreutz The race to map Africa and ethical issues around online mapping : crisscrossed blog <a href="http://bit.ly/RKNDn" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/RKNDn</a></span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: jubal harpster</title>
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		<dc:creator>jubal harpster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 02:35:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As the technical lead on the AGCommons program and organizer of WhereCampAfrica I appreciate your post. We are well aware of and working with Open Street Map, particularly through the gRoads program currently lead by CIESIN. When Google announced the general availability of downloadable vector data for Kenya from Map Maker back in April we took note of the potential implications. Given the various license schemes between the programs I&#039;ve launched the Map Kibera project (http://www.wherecampafrica.org/node/13). One of the goals is to collect community generated streets data for Kibera, Kenya and to load that data into various platforms and force the question of licensing the datasets. Hopefully this program will get off the ground soon. Those of us working on the AGCommons program will be following up at the AfricaGIS conference in October as well as organizing the 2nd WhereCampAfrica in Bamako, Mali in 2010. Hope to see everyone there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As the technical lead on the AGCommons program and organizer of WhereCampAfrica I appreciate your post. We are well aware of and working with Open Street Map, particularly through the gRoads program currently lead by CIESIN. When Google announced the general availability of downloadable vector data for Kenya from Map Maker back in April we took note of the potential implications. Given the various license schemes between the programs I&#8217;ve launched the Map Kibera project (<a href="http://www.wherecampafrica.org/node/13" rel="nofollow">http://www.wherecampafrica.org/node/13</a>). One of the goals is to collect community generated streets data for Kibera, Kenya and to load that data into various platforms and force the question of licensing the datasets. Hopefully this program will get off the ground soon. Those of us working on the AGCommons program will be following up at the AfricaGIS conference in October as well as organizing the 2nd WhereCampAfrica in Bamako, Mali in 2010. Hope to see everyone there.</p>
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		<title>By: Erik Hersman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erik Hersman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 02:35:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;RT @ckreutz The race to map Africa and ethical issues around online mapping : crisscrossed blog http://bit.ly/RKNDn&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">RT @ckreutz The race to map Africa and ethical issues around online mapping : crisscrossed blog <a href="http://bit.ly/RKNDn" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/RKNDn</a></span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: jranck</title>
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		<dc:creator>jranck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 00:07:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;@ckreutz has a good piece on maps, Africa and ethics: http://bit.ly/U7ZxU&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">@ckreutz has a good piece on maps, Africa and ethics: <a href="http://bit.ly/U7ZxU" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/U7ZxU</a></span></span></span></p>
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